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posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 12.21.03 (10:01 pm) God sacrificed His Son Jesus, whom he loved and was so dear to him, for every sin that we, the children of God who stand to inherit the kingdom of heaven, commit. How is this a sacrifice if Christ is simply returning to heaven? It only would count as a sacrifice, if, in fact, you saw life as more than the "vapor" you believe it is. Does it not seem ridiculous to live if heaven is going to be better than this? Why would such a compassionate being (God) even bother placing people here when it is possible to simply place people straight into heaven, beyond temptation. Did God not create the archangels? Did God not create the weakness in Lucifer? Could God not forsee the effect of that weakness on Lucifer's actions? A response that invokes free will would need a sufficient explantion to try to counteract this. Try using logic that is independent of the bible--consider that Adam did fine without it. posted by: Isaac (reply) post date: 12.22.03 (7:06 pm) God sacrificed His son Jesus Christ, whom he loved and was so dear to him for the sins that we commit in the flesh. When Jesus was crucified, he was cruficied in the flesh so that our sins of the flesh will be forgiven. Yes, we are the children of God. He is our heavenly Father. But we commit sins of the flesh because we are imperfect in the flesh. God sent his son Jesus here so that we may be forgiven of our sins and enter into the kingdom of Heaven like children. Remember in the Book of Matthew Jesus held up the child and said that we must become like them to enter into the kingdom of heaven? When we enter into the kingdom of heaven, we will be more fitting of how Gods children should be - innocent of all sin. But not everyone will enter into the kingdom of heaven. God didn't bring sin on us, man brought it on himself. Man will also bring upon himself punishment for those sins if they aren't forgiven. But if you love God with all of your heart and all of your soul and you believe that Jesus the son of God died so that you may have forgiveness through Him, then you are spared from the punishment you brought onto yourself through sin. Christ returned to heaven because he was without sin and God loved him. God loves us too and we can be without sin through Christ. It was true sacrifice. God made a reflection of Himself in the flesh in the form of Jesus Christ and he lived as a man. He surely died as a man at that. [quote]It olny would count as a sacrifice, if, in fact, you saw life as more than the "vapor" you believe it is.[/quote] By who's standards... God's or mans? Imperfect men cannot bring salvation upon themselves. Salvation can only be attained through our Lord. Life in the flesh is indeed short. But the things we do here are very real. Men sin so easily without a second thought, but really it is very important that we follow God's path and not sin. It is true that this life is so short, but that doesn't mean that these lives we lead aren't of lesser importance to God as the lives we'd lead after the flesh. It doesn't seem ridiculous at all to live this life here in the flesh. God has characteristics. God is longsuffering. He wants us, made in his image, to develop these characteristics too in this life in the flesh. God gave us free will. Free will to do and to choose as we please. We're not some pawns in a game of chess. Part of the point of this life in the flesh is to decide whether we are to love God or not. Those that do will go one way and those that don't will go another, and it's just that simple. http://www.tblog.com/templates/index.php?bid=isaac&static=51734 Read what my love Carolyn wrote there about free will or God doing his will through those that love him. It was the will of Lucifer, having free will, that compelled him to sin at the time. It's our own free will that we sin and on our own volition, also. Works of the flesh, there being. God wants you to love him, he isn't going to force it upon you. And neither should I, a servant of God through which God may do his will. Point out to me the part in the Bible hat has told you this thing about Adam that you mention. Also tell me if I have sufficiently counteracted your explanation and if this antithesis worked well enough. I am willing to go back and back up my words with scripture if you see it necessary. Please name yourself the next time that you make a comment so that I know who you are and don't confuse you with anyone else. posted by: Isaac (reply) post date: 12.22.03 (7:06 pm) Reply to: newbie That is my reply above. posted by: Isaac (reply) post date: 12.23.03 (10:14 am) "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD and depart from evil." The Book of Proverbs Chapter 1, Verses 5 to 7. From the wisest man to ever live. This is part of what reading with understanding is. I can't come to realize anything in God without having faith in God's words with all that he has given me - a heart, mind, body, soul, and spirit. Look at it in the flesh and you will not understand. posted by: Isaac (reply) post date: 12.23.03 (10:16 am) The sake of brevity in these comments, I left this out: The first man, Adam, was made in the precise image of God. So was Jesus Christ. Thereby, Jesus is considered the second Adam in the flesh. The first one committed the first sin and made all of man imperfect. JEsus Christ, when he was crucified and died for the sins of man, fixed all of this. I trust in Jesus Christ. Not the first man. |
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