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posted by: Nick Finzer (reply) post date: 05.10.07 (1:45 pm) Isaac, Christ is Risen! Truly He is Risen! You may remember me from karate class out at Azalea. Wow, so much to respond to. I will start with the biggest, justification "sola fide" (by faith alone). First, since I was Catholic for 10 years, I believe your understanding of Catholic teaching is not actually correct. The official position of the Church, if I recall correctly (and I may not), is NOT that we are justified by works alone, or by faith alone, but by both. This certainly is not the impression you get speaking with many Catholics, but since my purpose is neither to defend or criticize Catholicism, but to expose Truth, that is all I will say on the subject of Catholic doctrine. You say above: "The agreement says that we're saved by both faith and works, which is just not found in the Holy Bible." This is certainly incorrect. I think the most important thing to look at here is The Epistle of James. In chapter 2, it is written: What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You belive that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-- and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? ... You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ... For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. [James 2:14-20,24,26] The faith that saves is a complete faith: not just the mind believing and the tongue confessing, but the whole man trusting in the living God. This means our faith and our relationship with God- our justification- are dynamic and living. Our faith grows and affects our actions, or it dies. "Faith alone", static faith, does no save. We must nurture our faith in GOd and love for Him through our works. As St. Maximus the Confessor (AD 580-662) said, "Do not say you are the temple of the Lord, writes Jeremiah [Jer. 7:4]; nor should you say that faith alone in our Lord Jesus Christ can save you, for this is impossible unless you acquire love for Him through your works." And again, on the topic of salvation, Matthew 25:31-46 (partial quotation below): All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me." [Matthew 26:32-36] The Holy Scriptures clearly deny that those who simply proclaim Jesus with the lips will be saved: Jesus speaking: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." [Matt. 7:21] "If you love Me, keep My commandments." {Jn. 14:15] You will agree that there is a huge difference between RECOGNIZING that Jesus is the Christ, our salvation, and living the Christian life (prior to the first use of the word "Christian" in Antioch [Acts] they were called "People of the Way"), for even the demons recognize Jesus as the Son of God: "What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God?" [Matt 8:29] The Holy Apostle Paul writes in Ephesians: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." [Ephesians 2:8-10] We are created to do good works, the work of the Lord. "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord." [1Cor 15:58] We do not, of course, believe that we earn merit by doing good works. Just as faith without works is dead, so are good works without faith in Christ. Charitable works done without love for God are no better than professing Christ with your lips but not with your life. Can you be saved by a dead faith? posted by: Nick Finzer (reply) post date: 05.10.07 (1:46 pm) Salvation comprehends all of life. Faith versus works is a discussion born out of the reformation, unprecedented in Orthodox thought. What we see in the passage above from Ephesians is that salvation is not from faith alone, nor from works alone, but from CHRIST alone. The Scriptures taken as a whole, not as a single verse, certainly bear witness to this. It is interesting to me, that in reality, Evangelicals/Protestants and Orthodox are closer than we sometimes realize in these beliefs. It is a point of doctrine for many Protestants that we are justified by faith alone, but who actually lives their life that way? Indeed you encourage good works in this very post. You also say: "If Roman Catholicism believed the biblical, historical, classical definition of the Justification rather than its own definition it would immediately have an impact on its view of indulgences, prayer to saints, prayer to Mary, and other extra-biblical traditions". I will try to keep this brief. Again, I am not here to defend or condemn Catholicism. I certainly condemn indulgences. However, hopefully I made it clear above that what I described is in fact the "biblical, historical classical definition" of justification, since the whole "faith vs. works" debate only came about with the Reformation. I do however, defend prayer to all saints, including to the Ever-Virgin Mary, as proper and just, as well as Biblical. The Church has always, even under the Old Covenant, believed in the Communion of the Saints. The "great cloud of witnesses" mentioned by St. Paul in Hebrews (12:1). The Church, the Body of Christ, is One. Death does not separate us. We pray for one another. Why do we ask others to pray for us? Why would you ask your pastor to pray for you? St. James says "...pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." [James 5:16] We ask the Mother of God and all the Saints to pray for us because of their righteousness. Since all the Saints are united in Christ, they are aware of us and pray for us. The Church on Heaven and earth are united. There is no such thing as a dead saint, Christ is life. It is hard to believe that St. Paul, who struggled and gave his life for the Church, is now in heaven playing golf, forgetting the church he cared for and loved. posted by: (reply) post date: 05.10.07 (1:47 pm) Finally, you say "It says in the Word, Acts 2:42 that the apostolic, first-generation of the church continued daily in fellowship and the apostle's doctrine, which was taught to the apostles by Jesus. We are to continue even today in the apostle's doctrine, as revealed in scripture. Anything else is a study on heterodoxy, not on orthodoxy, what is orthodox." Not only is the Apostles' doctrine revealed to us today in scripture, but in the Holy Apostolic Church, passed down directly to us generation to generation by the apostles, as attested to by history and Scripture. I invite you to find the truly and completely orthodox, the Orthodox Christian Church, unchanged for 2000 years. The Orthodox Church is Evangelical, but not Protestant. It is Orthodox, but not Jewish. It is not non-denominational, it is pre-denominational. It is the church of the Ecumenical Councils, the New Israel, and the church through which the New Testament was received and written down, as well as the inheritor of the Old. I invite you in the words of St. Philip to "come and see". I will even provide transportation. Contact me anytime on AIM as NLCK8910. I apologize for the length of this post. God bless you and your journey! posted by: Nick Finzer (reply) post date: 05.10.07 (1:48 pm) Sorry for so many posts, this thing was giving me issues! |
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